but pbs is educational. and it seems to me it is obvious that he wants everybody to keep believe lying, and you want a populous that doesn't know how to think for itself, doesn't know how to question anything or know the facts. >> stephanie: yes. >> just got a tweet from someone saying there were no vp debates until -- >> stephanie: that's what i thought. and besides my dad was entirely too busy explaining barry goldwater's position on nuclear weapons. okay. sam in seattle, you are on the "stephanie miller show." hi, sam. >> caller: hi good to talk to everybody. i read something last night about newt gingrich having to debate mitt romney and his big complaint was he got beat because you can't debate somebody who is dishonest. >> stephanie: yeah somebody made that point this week. fundamentally, frankly i was lying when i said that and now i'm telling the truth -- >> stephanie: i love watching his face when people talk about one thing after another that he said about romney and he is just like grinning like a